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Old Mar 12, 2009, 04:56 AM // 04:56   #1
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Default Need advice on Sig of illusions build.

So I've been tempted to make a mesmer and seriously sit down and play it. Have been pondering an interesting build for a long time as well, and wanted to come up with something interesting and fun, as well as viable. Here's what I came up with.

Upon browsing wiki looking for a good elite, I learned that Signet of Illusions actually affects PvE skills, and with 16 in illusion magic you are able to use the summons as if you were at or even above the maximum faction rank. This creates potential for overly powerful PvE skills.

Attributes: 16 Illusion Magic
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[skill]Signet of Illusions[/skill][skill]Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support[/skill][skill]Summon Ice Imp[/skill][skill]Ether Nightmare[/skill]

So basically, I need advice on what else to throw in there that would make this build more viable. I don't know tons about mesmers but frankly, the idea of using PvE skills at their highest(or above) potential seems really great. Perhaps some spell stealing? I am unsure.

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Old Mar 12, 2009, 05:18 AM // 05:18   #2
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as long as u understand that its mostly for fun.

[aura of restoration] got a recent buff, i would highly recommend going me/e for it. and then of course [glyph of lesser energy] would make sense. this will give you the energy to spam [great dwarf weapon] on recharge.

tbh, [[ebon vanguard assassin support] and [[ether nightmare] both don't really fit with [[signet of illusions].
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27   #3
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[build prof=Me/N illusion=12+3+1 Fast=12+1 insp=3+1][Signet of Illusions][Order of [email protected]][Drain [email protected]][Blood [email protected]][[email protected]][[email protected]][Mark of [email protected]][Resurrection Signet][/build]

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[build prof=Mesmer/Ritualist IllusionMagic=12+1+3 FastCasting=12+1 ][Signet of Illusions][Power [email protected]][Waste Not, Want [email protected]][Splinter [email protected]][[email protected]][Cry of [email protected]][Ether [email protected]][Flesh of My [email protected]][/build]
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 06:01 AM // 06:01   #4
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I personally run this on my mes [Signet Of Illusions][Arcane Echo][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Summon Mursaat][Glyph Of Lesser Energy][Auspicious Incantation][Great Dwarf Weapon]and either [Resurrection Signet][Snow Storm][Drain Enchantment][Power Drain]

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Old Mar 12, 2009, 06:30 AM // 06:30   #5
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tbh, [[ebon vanguard assassin support] and [[ether nightmare] both don't really fit with [[signet of illusions].

Why not? The assassin that's summoned would be level 20, and ether nightmare would act as if it would with a maxed rank in Kurz/Luxon. I'm not trying to argue here, just trying to learn more and get more opinions.

Thank you for the replies and suggestions thus far guys, all the input is appreciated.

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Old Mar 12, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29   #6
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Why not? The assassin that's summoned would be level 20, and ether nightmare would act as if it would with a maxed rank in Kurz/Luxon. I'm not trying to argue here, just trying to learn more and get more opinions.

Thank you for the replies and suggestions thus far guys, all the input is appreciated.
21 at 16 illusion (if i'm not mistaken)
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 07:55 AM // 07:55   #7
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[Signet of Illusions][Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support][Cry Of Pain][Ether Nightmare][Arcane Echo][Clumsiness][Wandering Eye][Optional] i think would work, its wat I was gonna play on my mes before I deleted him.

GoLE or the buffed Aura of restoration would probably work best. The pve skill steal skill could work instead of ether nightmare and you could bring like images of regret to trigger CoP.
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 11:18 AM // 11:18   #8
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Thanks again guys! Definitely going to have some fun messing around with all the skills you guys posted.
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 12:21 PM // 12:21   #9
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I LOVE [[Signet of Illusions]. It's my mesmer's favorite elite ^^.

I use this personally:

[Signet of Illusions][Summon Ruby Djin][Ether nightmare (luxon)][Cry of Pain][Clumsiness][optional][optional].

The first blank I either use [[Arcane Echo] or [[Energy Tap (PvE)]. I use some sort of rez for the last slot.
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 12:29 PM // 12:29   #10
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[Summon [email protected]][Signet of [email protected]][Arcane Echo][Ebon Vanguard Assassin [email protected]][arcane [email protected]][cry of [email protected]][auspicious [email protected]][[email protected]] or [deep [email protected]]

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Old Mar 12, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38   #11
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summon mursaat
This is the only thing that matters in the build besides [Signet of Illusions], with that badass thing you'll win 100% of the time!

More seriously, I'm not a fan of [Signet of Illusions] purely because I sacrifice an elite to be able to use my skills. But's it's still fun as hell though
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48   #12
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w00t at wanting to make the overpowered PvE only skills even more overpowered with [signet of illusion] I mean, seriously... can't you run a normal PvE Mesmer bar without all this gayness?
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 02:51 PM // 14:51   #13
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If I'm running SoI I'm clearly trying to dick around, so I like to have as much fun as possible....

[Signet of Illusions][Arcane Thievery][Arcane Larceny][Smooth Criminal][Inspired Enchantment][Revealed Enchantment][Inspired Hex][Revealed Hex]
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 04:56 PM // 16:56   #14
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16 in Illusion, the rest in fast-casting.

[Arcane Mimicry]+[Signet of Illusions]+[arcane echo] means endless possibilities. Mimic [ray of judgment] or whatever elite you want from an ally and go to town with your 16 illusion attribute.
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13   #15
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Why not? The assassin that's summoned would be level 20, and ether nightmare would act as if it would with a maxed rank in Kurz/Luxon. I'm not trying to argue here, just trying to learn more and get more opinions.

Thank you for the replies and suggestions thus far guys, all the input is appreciated.
because they fit much more better with [assassin's promise].
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Old Mar 12, 2009, 09:07 PM // 21:07   #16
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w00t at wanting to make the overpowered PvE only skills even more overpowered with [signet of illusion] I mean, seriously... can't you run a normal PvE Mesmer bar without all this gayness?
I apologize oh great one for not resorting to a generic wiki build. Please spare me your pathetic trolling attempt, and go back to the WoW forums if you really want to bait people for attention.



Thanks to the rest of you though, all of your input has been really helpful in finding something to do with SoI that's viable AND fun .
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Old Mar 15, 2009, 06:37 PM // 18:37   #17
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I peronsally go with Mo/Me. SoI, Arcane Echo, Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support, Empty, Pain Inverter, Auspocious Incanation, Heal Party and Res.

It's a party support build. You can do some nice damage with a pair of level 21 EV Assassins or by dropping a pair of Pain Inverters. You can add a bit of healing with Heal Party. Not as good as an HB, but you can still do it at level 15 or 16, which is still pretty nice. Also you can AI Heal Party for 30 energy. It takes an extra 6 seconds to recharge, but that's still only 8 seconds and it's not like the party is overly relying on you for that extra heal.

You can combat res with Fast Casting. Your empty slot can be Arcane Mimicry for the likes of Healer's Boon if you want to waste energy, or steal Savannah Heat and Echo it, etc. Ebon Vanguard Sniper Support is another good choice, or any number of other PvE spells like Great Dwarf Weapon, the EV Battle Standards, etc.

The idea of going with Me/E and Aura of Restoration is interesting, but I'm not sure which skills you add in from the rest of the ele skills to fill out your bar. Then again, AI works rather well for energy maintence.

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Are Heroes capable of handling this build?
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Old Mar 15, 2009, 08:02 PM // 20:02   #18
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The fundamental problem with SoI and PvE skills is that you can always get a more powerful build by taking a class with a more useful primary, giving it the same skills, and grinding its title ranks up to max.

The only way to make a SoI build that's competitive with top tier builds is to take normal skills that benefit greatly from a high attribute rank from at least 3 different skill lines. So far, I've not seen anyone produce a coherent and effective build like that.
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Are Heroes capable of handling this build?
They might be able to, but I don't really know. I never tried because heroes are usually bad with orders.
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Old Mar 16, 2009, 04:14 PM // 16:14   #20
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They might be able to, but I don't really know. I never tried because heroes are usually bad with orders.
I'd say that they're not horrible with Arcane Orders, but yeah, there are just some skills/builds that Heroes cannot use.
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